Netjer costumes

[tierasa]

The biggest issue for me isn't just the rule itself... it's the way they're handled. If a new rule is put into place, it needs to be formally announced and all adoptable owners informed. Then infractions need to be dealt with right then. Not years later. Also, the disparity between the genders is ridiculous. If a girl has to wear Bermuda shorts, a guy definitely should. If he's wandering around in short shorts, you're quite likely going to see something you don't want to.

[Operetta]

Wow, how frustrating. Sorry that you're suddenly having to deal with this, Pookas. I get that rules are rules, but seems a bit late to be just saying something now. I can't imagine all the work that this is going to cause you guys.

[NinjaWoo]

what i think is funny is this all happand after Mr. Pooka posted a pick up with a female Netjer and then he posts the rule things sooo yeah i agree with Retta and Rasa

[Rayvin_Kittiy]

wow that is so stupid ...

so what is in question exactly? Im guessing its just the one low cut female dress? or is it wolf netjer corset top too? Those are the only ones I see that P.i could possibly have a problem with.

Its still quite ridiculous though why would they only just now say something the netjer have been around for awhile now? I dont even really see anything wrong with them they are not really showing anything it's so frustrating.

I remember when everyone was talking about leaving pi because of everything going on when new pi came out. As upsetting as it would be to not have the sphinx community on pi anymore if you guys did decide to leave I would try to follow <3

I wish there was a way the sphinx community could just get there own place or maybe just run things from the proboards? I dont know if that would be possible but something to consider maybe?

[NightFlyer]

But...the rules haven't changed? These rules were around before the changeover, as far as anthro dress goes. They've been around as long as I can remember, and I've been on PI for almost 10 years now.

Also, we're not omipotent. We don't see everything, and the netjer...there just aren't that many of them out there. We didn't SEE it until now.

I'm not touching the stamp thing. That horse has been beaten to death, poor thing. Well...except to say that too many of them -- many FROM THAT VERY WEBSITE someone referenced -- were stolen from other places around the web. Spoiled it for everyone.

As far as the sheaths...I wasn't on the MOD team then -- or I joined it at the very end, I can't remember exactly -- BUT! I understand why it happened. Yes, it seems a little dumb on the face of it, but the unfortunate truth is that there were a couple of adoptables who took it too far. (No, not that one. Not that one, either.) It was OBVIOUS from the size, shape, and positioning that it was being presented in a sexual nature. Unfortunately, since there were those who had to push the envelope and couldn't behave, the whole community suffered because this was the ONLY WAY to keep it from happening again.

It's like some of the dumb warnings you find on certain products - they're there because somebody somewhere at some point in that product's history did something stupid.

And before anyone jumps on me, I AM NOT lumping the Pookas in with that or painting them with the same brush. The current situation is just an unfortunate confluence of circumstances that caught them. Nothing else. I do realize it seems like we're picking on them because these have been around for a while and "how could we miss them?" But... -points to statement about omniscience- Unfortunately, things get missed and sometimes fall through cracks and it SUCKS when it gets caught. For everyone involved. BELIEVE me when I say this is not something that was requested lightly.

The thing of it is PI is rated as a site for young children, regardless of the fact that a good deal of our user-base is adult. Maintaining that rating sometimes means having to do things that look really stupid to the outside. Or having rules that people don't completely agree with -- which, tell ya a secret? I completely understand because there are a couple even I don't agree with. But I'll enforce them. Because they ARE part of the rules, and there is doubtless some reason for that rule to exist.

[aranelsaraphim]

There are no new rules.  None.  Nothing has changed.  NF has explained that well, so I don't think I need to.

Things get missed.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to be a MOD and also try to be a "normal user"?  Netjers are rather uncommon, so it's understandable that no one's really seen the ones that were problems. There's not that many of them that are a problem, in fact there are 21, I counted - plus none of the custom posed ones are an issue (well, just the one, now).  It's not like we can just ignore it because it's been so long...that's not how rules work. On top of that, when we're just trying to have fun ourselves, sometimes we sort of turn off the "mod mode", you know?

We don't make the rules.  We enforce them.  We try to interpret them to the best of our abilities.  It's hard. 

I'm sorry that society makes female's bodies more sexualized than males, but that is unfortunately the case.  So...we have to conform. It's stupid and I hate it because I don't think anyone should be body shamed, but it is the world we live in. Males and females should have their lower halves covered the same amount....was that not the case here?  Halfway to the knee is the shortest shorts or skirts should be.

Honestly, one issue doesn't seem like a reason to abandon PI.  Sphinxes has been running there for 10 years now....and this has been the only issue!  (well, as far as I know, I haven't been a mod that whole time)  Hell, Beltane happens every year and that's a very not PI appropriate holiday - but since things are here and not super explicit, its fine.  We try hard to strike a balance between "extremely kid friendly" and our adult users.  It's very much not easy.

For the record, I want to make it clear that we never, ever thought the Pookas were trying to skirt the rules or that they were doing anything maliciously.  We know that!  The Pookas are some of the best people I've ever met and I hate that this happened now and that it wasn't noticed when they first came out.  I especially feel bad because I know they've had a rough week.  Pooka is, in fact, the whole reason I'm on PI at all.  Her artwork led me to PI from DA...and I am forever grateful for that.  She is one of the kindest, most generous and nicest people I've met online and that goes for Mr. Pooka too.  I would hope that they'd never leave PI, we'd be that much the poorer for it.

[springacres]

Thanks for the calm, concise and clearly worded explanation, NightFlyer. It really does make things much clearer, and I understand a bit better now.

And believe me when I say I don't envy you your MOD position. I volunteer for a local housing resource center one day a week, and a lot of my job involves doing what you just did - which is explaining to people in plain English why they have to follow certain rules or laws even when they disagree with them. I'm just glad I'm not in a position to have to enforce some of those rules or laws. So kudos to you, and to AranelSeraphim, and Sunneh, and any of our other Sphinx loving MODs or former MODs.

[springacres]

I also apologize for repeatedly bringing up the sheath episode. I should have realized that there was more to that than met the eye. (It still feels a bit like going after a fly with a sledgehammer, but at least I understand the rationale now.)

I for one would hate to see Sphinxes leave PI. Hopefully the Pookas don't consider this that serious.

[Fanta]

Thanks to everyone who made the list - I'll take mine down soon. I'm not on a computer right now and vacation is pretty packed.

This rule sucks, I've been hit by it before as has many other adoptables and artists. I don't think many people like it, but it is a rule and it needs to be followed. XP

[Cryptic]

Thankfully I don't have any Netjer at all, so I don't have any to remove. What baffles me is that I never thought any of the Netjer were very revealing.

[Mr. Pooka]

NightFlyer and aranelsaraphim's posts are filled with lots of good and most of it I agree with and will even direct others too... but I do have to start with these.

But...the rules haven't changed? These rules were around before the changeover, as far as anthro dress goes. They've been around as long as I can remember, and I've been on PI for almost 10 years now.

There are no new rules. None. Nothing has changed. NF has explained that well, so I don't think I need to.

I don't like having to mention this, because both of the above posts are filled with good intentions, but this is incorrect. While there has been no significant change in the anthro dress code in many years (4-5) there have been lots of changes to them in the past. Most of them were subtle or minor tweaks, adjustments, additions, clarifications etc. There have been minor changes to descriptions that have major impact on many adoptables, such as tube tops. Originally only breasts had to be covered, but additions were made later to include the length of the top and what they covered. Originally there were not even any rules at all concerning adoptable clothes but this is going way back to when there wasn't even an 'adoptable intro's' thread. I'm sure these changes were all added for a reason, whether because of someone's complaint, new perspectives, proactive good will... but the takeaway is that the were changed. When I was asked brought on to work with Sphinxes for Pooka I had two job titles, right from the beginning. My public job was to run events and entertain people in the threads. My second private job, right from the beginning, was to read all of the PI rules and monitor them for changes, which at the time, were frequent. There have been tons and tons of adjustments to rules in every category and before any major event I have read, studied and prepared for whatever may come. Very admittedly there have been very few major changes on any front since the new PI (and a bit before, but it was kind of like a new era and is good for measuring time.) but when I started it was still kind of like the wild west of rules from our adoptable owner perspective.

..again I'd like to mention that we are not trying to challenge what the current rules are, nor even saying that the netjer costumes even conformed to any past version of the rules, just that when they were created with the intention of meeting every rule presented at the time. I don't think anyone disagrees with that one. ..and we will be a few weeks working to bring them inline with the current rules.

I do also want to mention, as someone who has monitored and followed the rules under a microscope over the last 9 odd years, is that PI has never ever made a positive change in light of any situation. Any kind of complaints (from any side of anything), any form of boat rocking and even asking too many questions in a thread only leads to more restrictive rules. More things will be limited/restricted, more things will become off limits and more things will be taken away. ...That comes off a bit dark but it is just how things are.... That's why even talking about PI rules can feel taboo at times and almost everyone has at least a couple of topics they want to rant about.

I do not envy any PI mod and wouldn't want their job. The rules are up there to make the site fun and safe and make it run as smooth as possible so that PI's target audience can have the most fun in a friendly safe environment. They are also subject to change at any time anyone who wants to participate on the site must comply. We can grumble and roll our eyes but its their house.

Beyond that, most everything both NF and AS mentioned should almost be mandatory reading. Many of the rule changes and additions have been from people who pushed the wrong buttons or tried to do stuff that was just plain stupid. The rules are not always clear and subject to many interpretations and just like our own rules will continue to change and evolve.

Soooo, sorry for this long post about rules but I do stand with my original post and felt that I needed to elaborate.


We will be working to fix everything to the best of our abilities in a way that makes everyone happy and complies with all current PI rules.


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and again, I'm not trying to just be critical, I am focusing all of my energy into positive ways to move forward, I promise! ...but I did have to add one nitpicky note about Beltane. All of our Beltane activities here are exactly as mentioned and can walk a fine line, but the holiday itself is not necessarily an adult holiday. It's kind of like valentines day. In many cultures kids dance around maypoles and make flower wreaths and are a big part of most celebrations, the same way kids give out ninja turtle valentines cards and candy. Both holidays to carry additional connotations for adults though and that is usually what our players want to participate in. I actually had an adorable child game all set up, including some super adorable prizes but I just couldn't fit them in on the day. ...but be prepared for some super cute additions to a few Beltane children, (-8 I knew it made a great example to back up a comment, but I am also a fan of educations! (-8

[Mr. Pooka]

I'd also like to add that, while it will take us quite a while we are coming up with some good ideas to move forward, follow PI rules and actually make everyone happy. (-8

[aranelsaraphim]

If there were tweaks and such before my MOD time, I apologize, as I was not aware of it. I can tell you that we've not changed anything since I've been on staff. The only thing that may have changed is the way things are interpreted, but that's because we have a different staff.

Thank you for supporting us Mr. Pooka, and thank you for understanding. I will always stand by what I said about you and Pooka.

[PookaWitch]

I should mention that the mod who contacted us about this was very kind and apologetic and just trying to do their job. As was already mentioned the thread the mod could have shut us down, but instead we were given the chance to fix the problems.

About fixing the problems, I plan to work as quickly as I can to get the netjers with the rule-breaking clothing fixed.. We're gone for most of next week, and this may put the Heb on hold, or bring it to a crawl, for a time while I try to get this fixed.
But no worries, we're not leaving over this. I do have to admit that I've grumbled about PI's overly strict clothing rules many times in the past, but do try to follow them, even if I push it to the edge of the line sometimes. (ie. I really thought the barbarian outfit was okay, it's why their wearing shorts, I tried to put it to what I thought was near enough to the half way point. I had stopped just short due to the fur on the legs would be poking out if it went any longer.) The peasant dress should be a mostly easy fix, but will make the already existing dresses look a little odd, and I feel badly about having to adjust adoptables that people have already owned for so long without giving them an option. (I do have an idea that may look good though. ^_^ ) Then I'll adjust the existing template so it meets the rules for future netjers.

Also, as I've been saying to a few people... we have so many people who have followed and supported us for so many years that we owe it to them to fix this problem.

[PookaWitch]

A mod just mailed me to say that so long as the netjers in the specific clothing aren't posted in the thread I can wait a bit before having to fix them. This should keep the Heb from slowing down since I can now wait until after it's over to get to work on this. ^_^

We're still gone most of next week though, a few appointments that interrupt the day, one which I need to go 2 hours away into the city for. Then mostly busy the weekend, where I'll probably still be lurking, but not doing any games.